More Wonder, Please.

Sometimes life gives you a gift that changes who you are and alters the path you’ll follow all the rest of your days. One such gift I’ve received came in the form of a person, a platonic soulmate who has shaped the person I’ve become over the last decade. Through deep conversations, shared experiences, and working together, we’ve grown into ourselves—revealing more of who we are as our friendship deepened.

Often, I don’t know how I truly feel about something until I talk it through with her. Often, a life event doesn’t feel real until she knows about it. I never feel judged or belittled in her presence. In a life where precious few people have ever made it behind my walls, she is someone tending the garden with me behind the gate.

For years, we’ve delighted in one another’s company. Laughing and crying and being curious about the world side by side. We’ve often said that we’d make one heck of a podcast together. We’re great. We’re hilarious. We’re thoughtful and introspective. We’ve already recorded podcasts about art together for work. Now, we’re doing it just for us.

Introducing More Wonder, Please

More Wonder, Please is a podcast where two friends get curious about life. The questions we ask are weird, deep, and wild. We wade into the delights and difficulties of existence. We laugh. We cry. We question. We ponder. But most of all, we wonder.

This podcast is for everyone who knows a friend can be a soulmate, everyone who allows themselves to be unironically enthusiastic, and everyone who looks at the stars and remembers not to take themselves too seriously. 

If you’ve ever laughed so hard your head hurt or cried so much your eyes turned raw, this podcast is for you.

The title comes from a quote we both adore:

So whenever that brittle voice of dissatisfaction emerges within me, I can say “Ah, my ego! There you are, old friend!” It’s the same thing when I’m being criticized and I notice myself reaching with outrage, heartache, or defensiveness. It’s just my ego, flaring up and testing its power. In such circumstances, I have learned to watch my heated emotions carefully, but I try not to take them too seriously, because I know that it’s merely my ego that has been wounded—never my soul. It is merely my ego that wants revenge or to win the biggest prize. It is merely my ego that wants to start a Twitter war against a hater, or to sulk at an insult or to quit in righteous indignation because I didn’t get the outcome I wanted.

At such times, I can always steady my life once more by returning to my soul. I ask it, “And what is it that you want, dear one?”

The answer is always the same: “More wonder, please.”

As long as I’m still moving in that direction—toward wonder—then I know I will always be fine in my soul, which is where it counts. And since creativity is still the most effective way for me to access wonder, I choose it.

Elizabeth Gilbert, Big Magic: Creative Living Beyond Fear

I hope you’ve been fortunate enough to have a Cindy in your life. And I hope you’ll listen to our goofy, deep, delightful little love letter to the world. The first two episodes are already up….

Why are talking animals so disturbing?

Movies with talking animals—cute and cuddly or a menace to society? We discuss Cindy’s deep discomfort with chatting creatures. Topics include the pug in Men in Black, animal rights, Koko the gorilla, animals who make art, and the discomfort of having words put in your mouth.

What would you do if you could be God for a day?

What would you do if you could be God for a day? We discuss Madalyn’s realization that making the world a better place might not be easy, even if you’re all-powerful. Topics include religion, atheism, the paradox of omniscience, the limits of our conception, pooping in paradise, and a hilarious twist ending.

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